Your right to remain Silent and Ernesto A. Miranda

Phoenix, AZ---Ernesto A. Miranda was an armed kidnapper who tried at least twice to kidnap and rape young women on the streets of Phoenix, Arizona.

One of the cases involved a young box office girl at the old Orpheum Theater downtown. After finishing work one evening she took the 7th Street bus North to Maryland Avenue and got off that bus walking along the gravel road to her home.

What the girl did not know was that she was being stalked by Ernesto Miranda who was following her in his old gray Packard. Miranda was armed with a knife when he jumped out and forced the girl into his car.

Miranda had a little problem, he could not get it up and commit the act so he let her go. She called the police and Detective Carol Cooley and his partner Wilford Young were assigned to this and another similar case that involved a somewhat retarded 18 year-old girl.

Soon Miranda and his Packard became tangled into the investigation. Miranda was arrested, didn’t talk and was placed in a line up. The victims viewed the line up but could not identify anyone as their attacker. Cooley was understandably disappointed but pulled out his handcuff key and was about to free his suspect.

Curiosity got the best of Miranda and as Cooley approached him asked, "How’d I do?” A quick thinking Cooley replied, “Not so good Ernie, they picked you out.” Miranda sighed as he slumped into his chair and asked advice from Cooley. Cooley suggested Miranda cooperate because it would look better in front of the judge. Miranda confessed and some serious legal history was made.

Miranda was tried and convicted. His confession I have attached here below was no small part of the evidence.

Years went by as Miranda served time in prison and the U.S Supreme Court ordered his retrial without the confession. That was because of the failure of police to give adequate warning about self-incrimination and a waiver of that right from the suspect. The late, great and colorful Phoenix criminal defense lawyer named, John Flynn'strial work was responsible for the ultimate success of that appeal.

A young deputy Maricopa county prosecutor was told to dismiss the case by his superiors but refused. That was my dear long time friend, Robert K. Corbin. Corbin felt either a judge or a jury should let him go no matter how weak the case was, Corbin was not about to let a confessed rapist go.

Corbin began to read the file and found something interesting. Miranda was married, well sort of. You see Miranda lived with a woman, Twyla Hoffman who was listed as a common-law wife. Arizona did not recognize common law marriages and Hoffman could be interviewed, subpoenaed and required to testify against Miranda in court.

Corbin quickly dispatched investigators out to interview Hoffman at their old home in Mesa, AZ. Hoffman said Miranda confessed to her too. Since Hoffman was not a government agent Miranda had no self-incrimination protection from his ex-common law wife. She testified about that confession at the retrial.

Miranda was quickly convicted again and actually served more prison time than he would have if he never appealed his case.

Eventually Miranda was released from prison and found gainful employment autographing Miranda Rights cards for cops and lawyers he'd approach on the steps of the courthouse.

On a quiet Sunday night in 1976, while in a seedy bar, Miranda got into a fight with a knife wielding illegal alien. Miranda was slashed and stabbed to death. Police quickly arrested the suspect covered in blood. The police got out their Miranda cards and recited the required warnings to their suspect. The suspect asked for an attorney and the questioning ended. They were never able to convict anyone for Miranda’s murder.

Of course I’d like to help produce this as a feature film and I have the records as well as know many of the players of that story.

Ernesto Mirands Confession

Donald Lang—A Study In American Justice

Chicago, Il-Donald Lang was a poor, African-American deaf mute. Lang was the subject of cruel jokes his entire life as he tried to cope and be self-sufficient. Lang did not know sign language, lip reading or how to read or write.

I met Lang during the period the Cook County Jail’s guard force went out on strike in the early 1970s. Lang appeared to be well adjusted and seemed to understand whatever it was I wanted him to do. I asked him when his next court date was and he’d point to a calendar date. Lang’s understanding was uncanny. Lang would grunt, groan and had the pantomime skills of the late, great Marcel Marceau.

I really enjoyed my time with Lang and found he was incredibly interesting. He truly seemed to be able to read other’s minds.

Lang was being held for a second murder of a prostitute that was attributed to him. He walked on one murder charge after making legal history. Lang was appointed a deaf lawyer, Lowell Meyers who proved to be a real hero in this saga.

The issues of Miranda rights, self-incrimination and police evidence gathering were well beyond all conventional wisdom’s solutions. Nobody in the American justice system was capable of dealing with the complexities of Lang’s case.

Lang was an incredibly strong and hard working kid who had no special education or guidance for coping in a hearing world. His existence and ability to survive was based on his comedy skills and what he could physically do to earn money. He had a tough job at the South Water market. Lang was reliable and very grateful to have a job.

Lang loved women but lacked traditional romantic skills. Lang was reduced to love for cash and carry. There were problems in that Lang’s apparent sexual appetite and ability were nearly super-human. The local hookers wanted his money but he was more than they could handle.

Unfortunately Chicago’s West side hookers were not all stellar women with a proper work ethic. They and their pimps sometimes resorted to robbery, even murder in their sordid and drug induced world.

We will never really know what led to the deaths of Lang’s two known victims. Justifiable homicide and self-defense seems plausible but impossible to investigate without solid and accurate information form Lang himself.

Lang seemed smart enough to know that officials wanted him to get training in sign language and such not to help him but to perhaps even kill him in the electric chair.

Lang was in a legal, No Man’s Land having beat one charge of murdering a prostitute only to be arrested again for a similar killing after his release from jail.

I don’t know where Lang is today. Lowell Meyers has long since passed away.

Author, Ernest Tidyman wrote a book, Dummy which was made into a well made 1979 movie staring Levar Burton, Paul Sorvino and Brian Dennehy. The movie was broadcast on CBS and never made it to home video and is never re-broadcast on television. I call it lost art.

Here is a CBS tease for this film that I found.

Media’s Love For Obama May Be Cooling Off

Washington, DC—They were all in the bag for the young, charismatic, Left leaning Presidential Candidate turned President, Barack Obama.

No small part of this media excitement was the pathetic performance of George W. Bush for eight solid years. Bush managed to waste as many tax dollars as any Democrat. Immigration enforcement was reduced to a sad joke as Bush took us to impossible adventures in Afghanistan and Iraq.

The media is learning that rather than the Liberal image they created for Obama in reality he was nothing less than a genuine Communist. American media with all their faults have always jealously fought for open government records and the right to publish and broadcast without government interference. They are starting to learn free speech is in real danger.

Everywhere Communism has gained a foothold in any country the concept of free speech was eliminated. The Obama Administration despite redundant promises of openness and transparency reneged and began secret strategy with the shadow Czar Government. Of course the Czars included a questionable bunch of Communists, tax cheats and worse.

The media knows they have been used, abused and misled. Even the staunchest of Liberal journalists reject censorship and government control. They loathe government's concealing of public records or being misled.

I see the media starting to wake up and their seeming mild discomfort is turning to anger. The media made Barack Obama and the media can turn on him in an instant. I predict that they will soon begin doing their job and asking those questions they’ve avoided for more than a year.

The big question I have is, which members of the media will begin to report what’s really going on in America and which will remain on the Obama Propaganda Machine?

Elections In NJ, NY, VA Are A Referendum On The Obama Administration

Washington, DC—Today the Far Left in our government are zealously pandering Obamacare and the continued destruction of Freedom and free enterprise. That's about to change somewhat.

The election outcome Tuesday will set the mood for just how Congress will accept the Marxist agenda of the current Whitehouse. It does not look good for the Liberals. To the Whitehouse the upcoming minor elections are a giant wet blanket.

Since politicians like the perks of office holding they always seek to do what it takes to keep their seats. They may not be true to their constituents but they can be counted on to be true to themselves. Some serious cold water may be dousing the fire behind the Obama Administration after Tuesday.

I suspect we are going to hear the Whitehouse whine about, Congress doing nothing for the next three years even though there is a Democratic majority. I like that idea and would like to lay Congress off for the next couple of years like so many other American workers. If they were laid off for a few years, would we really miss Congress al all?

Conservative Themed Film Making All But Dead, For Now

Los Angeles, CA—There is no question that the capital of America’s subversive, Leftist, Marxist philosophy is Hollywood. The who’s who of stars, writers and directors love to outdo each other showing their allegiance to all things Left.

Of course these clowns make their money not from a Socialist system but a free market where they can earn tens of millions for each film. They live lavish lifestyles as they castigate the American way of life and buy their Communist friend’s various political offices.

Hollywood’s Leftist elite use their fame as a Marxist pulpit as they whine about the blacklisting days of the 1950s. The fact is Hollywood was always loaded with Communists that professed hatred for the American system of government. That still is true today.

Blacklisting was and is real today. Conservative themed films are very rare but are usually huge moneymakers if they are allowed to see the light of day. The films, Dirty Harry and Death Wish attacked the Social Justice crowd’s ideals as the film’s criminals were stopped dead in their tracks through justifiable homicide. Both of these films saw life in numerous sequels.

The film, Red Dawn made money at the box office but also made a pariah of its director and writer, John Milius. That film depicted heroic high school kids defeating a Communist invasion on American soil.

I have experienced firsthand rejection of my film, Come Friday that is based on a true story of a Chicago policewoman, because those in Hollywood can’t deal with the subject matter. The film’s villain is an African-American that viciously kidnapped, raped and robbed scores of White women on Chicago’s Gold Coast. After the justice system failed and the serial rapist was let go he took up his old ways only to be shot dead by a lovely, off-duty recruit policewoman he kidnapped at gun point.

Incredibly, I had offers to make, Come Friday if I’d change the race of the rapist or his victims. They told me it was just too racially charged! In this case the purveyors of Social Justice and Marxist ideals in the film industry just could not deal with the truth.

Things are slowly changing because the financing arrangements have become far more creative. The cost of equipment for making films is only a fraction of it once was and many more filmmakers know this craft.

There is no reason a large film studio can be built far from Hollywood where control is centered with the investors and actual artists rather than Leftist talent agents, gone wild like in Hollywood.

Learn more about Come Friday here.

Local Television News Breaks New Ground

Washington, DC—It’s November Sweeps time which is the most important rating period for television all year. They must do whatever they can to attract and keep or fold up their tent and disappear.

This time it is a lesson in breast self-examination without censorship. Frankly I don’t know how TV has gotten away with the bogus self-exam stories without exposing real breasts.

My God even men have breasts! Okay, men’s breasts are far less interesting than women’s. Bare breasts are everywhere in our world and the sight of them is not graphic, lurid or shocking. Why the big deal? Especially when the life and death matter of breast cancer is involved?

ABC-7 did their job of informing the public about breast self-examination. Men need the information too since they never miss a chance to explore their girlfriends and wives. It is often that a man discovers lumps and other symptoms. It may be rare but sometimes men get breast cancer too.

ABC-7 went out of their way to redundantly warn viewers of the “graphic adult content” and I wonder if that was intended to attract and keep viewers. No warning should be needed for images of women’s breasts. I don’t think the sight of them will change anyone’s life. That kind of censorship is silly and unnecessary.

Here is the report and please excuse me if I don’t warn you about the content. If you don’t like it take your little mouse and you can quickly escape from this blog!

News Reporters Promoting their products, It’s a good idea

Los Angeles, CA—As the news sources from radio, TV and the Internet are increasingly more plentiful, keeping track of your favorite reporters seems to becomes more difficult. The truth is it is easier than ever! One thing for sure we can ignore TV news schedules and look for those news packages on the net.

Most news reporters don’t go the extra mile to keep us informed. They get their assignments and get something out to satisfy the suits back at their stations. Some reporters bring a little show business to their work because keeping the attention of the audience is paramount, but generally there’s little else.

Most of my favorite reporters are some of the incredibly attractive women and I watch them for all what some people would say are the wrong reasons. I don’t care about weather unless it’s extreme. I watch a certain hot blond on KCAL/KCBS-TV not to learn about the weather but simply to watch her.

When I want to get the hard news too many of the lady reporters have a habit of getting out of the way of the news and covering it from the distance. For me I’m not happy until the reporter gets inside the story from the inside. Timid reporters suck.

One reporter that can be counted to get right in the center of the news is KNBC-TV’s top morning news gun, Robert Kovacik. A while back he was reporting on an early morning murder story and the manhunt police were conducting for the reportedly armed and dangerous suspect. Kovacik encountered the suspect while on a live shot and never blinked as he began a totally unexpected, exclusive interview with the killer!

I’ve not seen that kind of work since KSAZ-TV reporter Steve Kraft and I approached and interviewed numerous wanted fugitives in Phoenix. Okay I confess I was packing a .45 for personal protection at the time. Some of the fugitives whined about not wanting to go to jail but there was no hostility.

Kovacik certainly was unarmed and if he had any fear at all he never showed it as he went the extra mile to make sure his viewers got the whole story.

With Twitter and Facebook reporters can make their work available 24/7 and their work can be viewed anywhere in the world. I will soon be globe hopping and getting my news from Geneva and Berlin. I often go to India and feel empowered when I can see my personal favorite’s on the Internet. Yep, I will need to see what the weather is in L.A. too!

As our news sources improve their websites it’s never been easier to skip the junk and go right to the pros for your information.

Good reporters deserve your patronage. You can catch Kovacik on Twitter right here: http://twitter.com/RobertKovacik.

Today JFK Would Be Branded A Right Wing Extremist

John Fitzgerald “Jack Kennedy was born with a silver spoon in his mouth. Being driven by a master Capitalist, Joseph P Kennedy, Jack went all the way to the top. He did pay his dues every step of the way as a patriot.

When the American way of life was threatened during World War II, young Kennedy tried to enlist in the Army only to be rejected because of a bad back.

Not being deterred he went to the Navy and had his dad call in favors so he could go to combat for his fellow Americans. Kennedy wound up as a skipper of a PT boat and undertook a disastrous rescue mission. The deaths and injuries on that PT boat are convincing evidence that Kennedy was no coward. Kennedy in fact was like every other member of his crew, a genuine hero.

Jack Kennedy understood the importance of a national defense and our Second Amendment when he became a life member of the National Rifle Association.

Kennedy was elected to the Senate and later as our President. The Communist menace was everywhere including inside our own government. Kennedy went to Berlin, Germany to proclaim our alliance to the German people standing up to Communism and gave his famous, “Ich bien eine Berliner!” speech at the newly erected wall to imprison a nation.

Kennedy stood up to the Soviet Union and at least made an effort to defeat Fidel Castro during the failed Bay of Pigs Invasion. The Communists in our own Congress deserve credit for the failure of that mission. When the Soviet Union brought missals to Cuba threatening America Kennedy stood tall and strong.

I will never say I agreed with everything Jack Kennedy did, but I never once questioned whose side he was on. Imagine a President today saying, “Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country.” Instead today the presidential message is, “We must redistribute the wealth.”

Of course after France gave up it was JFK who brought our troops into the effort to protect South Viet Nam from Uncle Ho and his Chinese Communist friends. It was Uncle Ho’s fellow American Communists that prevented a win over the North by shortchanging our military troops of their weaponry and other resources. As a result of our own Communists nearly 60 thousand of our young men came home in rubber bags. We can’t blame JFK for the acts of the traitors in our own Congress.

I don’t know what happened to his brother, Teddy Kennedy but the Irish curse of alcoholism pickled his brain for sure. He went the way of the Bolsheviks.

Today, I know that Jack Kennedy would loathe what the administration of Barack Obama is doing today. We must stop this cancer on America before it spreads any further.

Berlin Wall Falls—20 Years ago!

The picture above:

Dying Peter Fechter is carried away by East German border guards who shot him down when he tried to flee to the west in this Aug. 17, 1962 photo. Fechter was lying 50 minutes in no-man's land before he was taken to a hospital where he died shortly after arrival.

The agency that manages the records of former East Germany's dreaded secret police has uncovered an order for border guards to fire on escaping citizens that is far more explicit than others on record, an official said in remarks published


Berlin, Germany—November 9th 1989 freedom came to Berlin as the dreaded wall finally came down. The Communists ruled with their guns, jackboots and an iron fist until that failed form of government fell under its own weight.

It was not all celebration since the Communist system created two generations of totally dependent people who were never motivated, able to fend for themselves or realize opportunity.

The former Communist citizens were used to living off other people’s money. They were demanding free apartments, food and were prone to criminal activity when their needs exceeded the handout they received. Suddenly, these folks were introduced as equal citizens of a united and free Germany.

Some of these people found education, self-sufficiency and are proud to be free today. Others still pine for the old nanny government. Communism did tremendous damage to these people and it may take generations to repair.

As Germany celebrates freedom, America is traveling to the failed Marxist model at breakneck speed. God please help us!

Why Obamacare Must Be Killed By Americans

Washington, DC—We may have a flawed heath care system but it’s still the best in the world just the way it is. Socialized medicine has failed everywhere it has been tried. If government could get a handle on waste and fraud with what we already have, costs could be reduced. Government has a dreadful record for any kind of efficiency.

The so-call health care reform, Insurance reform, socialized medicine, or whatever you want to call it is disaster in the making. Secret authors doing their deeds behind closed doors for a Congress that will never read or try to understand thousands of pages of dealmaking through clout is not a responsible solution.

The desperate administration plan is to get something, anything passed to help Barack Obama save face and avoid failure.

A better directed effort to deal with what we already have is the only thing that makes sense. Just say NO to Obamacare in any form. We must redouble our calls to Washington since they are not listening.

The GOP Must Die

There was a time when the Republican Party represented Conservatives and their views. That’s no longer the case as they leadership has embraced pretend Conservatives like John McCain, Mitt Romney, Rudy Giuliani, and of course both Presidents named George Bush. These are men with a very pronounced Left Wing agenda and records that are in virtual lockstep with Democrats.

These are tax and spend, big government Liberals that have never had anything in common with Conservatives. To a one, they were and are significantly Left of the revered and assassinated John F. Kennedy. Kennedy is a Democratic icon who enjoyed a life membership in the NRA, and a fiscally responsible administration that took the hard line with our Communist enemies.

The GOP leadership has been corrupted by the free flow of pork projects, deal making and personal enrichment to the determent of American taxpayers.

There is nothing Conservative about today’s GOP. The GOP has been hijacked and needs to be abandoned altogether. A new Conservative party must come from the ashes of the GOP that will unite Conservatives.

Conservatives need their own party. The Libertarians can fill the bill but they first need to raise their political and social profile since most Americans don’t have a clue what a Libertarian really is or is not.

Mister Obama, Please Resign

Dear Mr. Obama,

You had no achievements beyond having a broad smile and reading from a teleprompter. You were an example of affirmative action run wild as you made the right contacts in the most corrupt political organization in the United States.

You were in all the right places to get the full Marxist indoctrination and roadmap for that failed Ponzi scheme program of government that’s never worked anywhere. Your kind of government only works with repression and violence. As Margaret Thatcher said, "you will run out of other people's money."

You have made the mess left by George W. Bush much worse if that was possible. You have taken steps to destroy free enterprise, health care, and freedom. You have reauthorized slavery in America that will last for generations as you print money to pass to corrupt businesses and banks.

You have become a liability to your own and your family’s safety by making patriots everywhere hate you and only see you as a despot and traitor.

Please Mr. Obama, resign while we still have a little freedom.

Sincerely,

Paul Huebl
Crimefile News

The Ronald Reagan Library Is Fabulous

Simi Valley, CA—Just North of Los Angeles sits the Ronald Reagan Library and the final resting place of the greatest President in my lifetime. This man led us out of a recession and showed our enemies a better way through the example of freedom.

This place will take your breath away as you see Air Force One inside this wonderful museum. Visiting this place can easily take up an entire fun filled day.

In light the current administration’s destruction of free enterprise, hostile takeover of private businesses and the planning in secret of America’s direction and legislation, the Reagan years are a breath of fresh air.

We fought wars to prevent the crap Barack Obama is doing to America today and it’s a downright shame. Obama’s treason will be ended soon.

In the meantime watch as Andrea shows you some of the sights to be seen at the Reagan Library and Museum.

Dealing With The Swine Flu And Immunization

As the flu season approaches, getting the regular flu shot is generally good advice. This year we have the H1N1 version threatening young folks for the most part. Just what should we do?

The Obama Administration is working hard to sell Americans on a special vaccine that is largely untested. I’d wait until a few million Kool-aid drinking believers have taken it and lived to tell about it. The majority of physicians and nurses I talked with are in no hurry to offer themselves as laboratory rats. They are passing on the H1N1 immunization for themselves and families at least for the time being.

I took the advice and got a flu shot and the extra protection of a phenomena shot warranted by my age and general health.

We are in uncharted territory with every new strain of any type of infection threatening our population.

Here was the first shot being given to me by a genuine angel of mercy.

Will Major Media Carry Water For Obama As His Cronies Restrict Free Speech?

Washington, DC—The Obama administration hates free speech and have put their weight behind the misnamed “Net Neutrality” that would silence criticism and end free speech as we know it.

The question is, what position will the major media players take? Since the major media always spoke in a uniform Left Wing voice when they had a monopoly on news distribution, I expect they want to see an end to any view but their own. Will they carry Obama’s water? You bet they will!

I see the imposition of censorship of my speech, writing or publishing a blatant act of war on Liberty and Freedom. I hope there are Americans still willing to spill yet more blood in order to preserve free speech and all the rights Barack Obama wants to curtail.

State, Local Governments And Mall Operators Facilitate Terrorists

As we near the busy holiday shopping season terrorists are planning shooting attacks on mall shoppers. An arrest of a radical Muslim just happened today and now investigators are swinging into action to find others involved.

Terrorists are smart enough to target busy malls in cities with repressive gun laws. Even in right to carry states they have declared many malls as Gun Free Zones. These are the kind of targets that will always tempt cowards.

Adding to the problem are the marginally selected and trained mall security guards. They are incapable of doing anything more than dialing 911. These guards are nothing more that potential victims or hostages. They are zero protection for the mall workers and shoppers.

As retailers have taken a huge hit because of our tanking economy. Accordingly the funding for even minimal trained and armed security is non-existent and our enemies know that.

It is time to dismantle the Gun Free Zones and at least give some Americans the ability to protect themselves. Off duty and retired cops should be invited to the malls with their side arms. Weapon permit holders would reduce potential carnage as any resistance at all would encourage the terrorists to flee.

The alternative is Amazon.com and UPS. I boycott malls anywhere I can’t Carry with all the gun permits I possess.

As few as four well-armed terrorists can and will kill Americans like ducks in a barrel if they feel like it.

Chicago’s Water Tower Place along with The Grove and The Beverly Center in Los Angeles are perfect targets for massive attacks. The gun laws in these places could not be better written for terrorists to facilitate the slaughter of innocent American women and children.

Yet Another Bedtime Story With A Happy Ending.

Orange County, Fl.--Anthony Julien , 50, and Peter Julien, 57, came home and surprised two, or possibly three, burglars inside their home. The two took care of business very well leaving one 17 year-old intruder dead and the other 26 year-old burglar wounded.

Two promising careers were ended and we never will know if the two unfortunate lads could have won the Nobel Peace Prize for their wealth redistribution efforts.

So far, no charges have been filed against Anthony Julien and Peter Julien.

Obama’s Secret Government Is Evil and Tyrannical

Washington, DC-- Barack Obama’s administration has shut out America. Obama's Communists, racists and other anti-American advisors have done what Hitler, Castro and Stalin did. They allo formed policy in secret. The danger here is that the mass murders ordained by these despots were not planned in open meetings either.

Obama has misled even his strongest supporters on every campaign promise he has made. Obama must be removed from the Whitehouse before it’s too late.

For Los Angeles It's Great This Time of Year-A Flash Back for you!

As I returned from a too cold Windy City, I though of this gem from Randy Newman. Please sit back an enjoy!

Another Immigration Extortion Scandal

Chicago, IL—I recently got a call from Europe. It was from an elegant lady friend and mother of a lad in his 20’s who possesses two Master Degrees and is close to winning his PhD. The young scholar has already been educated at a prestigious American university wants to live and work in the United States.

I foolishly thought that since he reads, writes and speaks impeccable English, is superbly educated, and is destined for greatness my country would accept him with open arms. Unfortunately, he’d be much better off as an illiterate, non-English speaking citizen of Mexico or some other Central American banana republic.

I was shocked to learn the only options available for this very desirable potential immigrant are as follows:

1. Find and marry an American citizen.
2. Apply for a Green Card from Europe and wait in line behind millions including those undesirable aliens that have already broken American law by sneaking into the country.
3. Investing no less than $500,000.00 cash into an Obama approved company that must remain untouched for five years. Setting that application in motion requires legal services of an immigration lawyer. One well-know Chicago immigration lawyer quoted me $75,000.00 fee to facilitate the application process and set up the investment.

I can’t help but be frightened by the investment required especially when our economy is tanking at a rapid rate. Will this investment be stolen or otherwise devoured? The legal fees to process the application are also astronomical.

I’m shocked and embarrassed that my own country would extort money from such a promising young man. This is not the country I was raised in, nor the one whose call to duty in the military I answered four decades ago.

Someone please tell me what went so wrong?